Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Please explain. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. Shed been drinking?? She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. I am shocked shes not been charged too. The DA mentioned that. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. You know what they say, Sara.once you let your attacker get paper bags on your hands, theres no defending yourself. I wouldnt throw that out the window. 3. There is a text I think to chris. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. People with OCD have rituals. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Police saw a bed sheet. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. Utter Rubbish! I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. I would put the blame on Chris! In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. Did she even go upstairs to sleep? Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? Police photos However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. How did Shanann Watts die? They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. Same with NK. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. What was Shananns cause of death? I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. Powered by. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. Or do they just know? what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. During decomposition, gasses cause stuff to come out but thats a different matter. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) Or look up the video of the DA talking about the autopsies. while he killed them one after another. To do her business? I always wondered why she didnt fight back, too. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. Are you a parent? Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. Therefore your theory is not valid. That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. The womans home was spotless & there was a place for everything & everything was labeled! Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. Lastly and not related to your book, I continuously read people stating that the only bruises on Shananns body were the on the right side of her neck. One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. This would explain how she didnt fight! Chris is a monster. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. I think she died in bed after being knocked unconscious using Marks ethanol method. Exhausting and she was pregnant. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. Make sense? Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. Death by asphyxiation in each case. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . Neither of them passed any body fluids. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. He went from great dad to not wanting anything to do with them, me or any responsibilities. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. . Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. And his mistress tells him she wants to be the one to have his first boy prior to the murders and surprise after finding out she is having a boy , she is now dead. He is very thorough, very professional, analyses and peels back all the layers. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. However, his zombie-murder persona wouldnt let think that far ahead. Chris Watts attacked her from behind, his left hand around her throat and his right hand covering her mouth and nose. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. Chris was ocd also. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. She should have seen my house when my kids were little. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Pee and Poo Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. I meant three perfectly formed humans. Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. of OCD triggers and symptoms. Even the few days shannan was gone. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. Do you think he ninja-attacked her the moment she entered the house? First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. They should have been talked to later. 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